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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:36 pm    Post subject: 2020/2021 NBA Thread (Whenever it starts) Reply with quote

Might as well open this up while we wait for the off season schedule to be broken out.

My guess is that barring a covid vaccine miracle, we're not going to see the season starting until Feb-Mar. The league badly wants fans in the building because of the money, and that isn't happening anytime soon. They like will have back up plans for several bubbles in the event it looks like things are still bad in March, as there's going to be a point of no return where they would need to start the season for TV Money.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morey leaving Houston is rather big. Set aside that the team peaked with the first CP3 season there. They still were a good, though goofy and quirky, team this season. That team is toast without Morey fitting the pieces around Harden.

They have issues with Westbrook on the team, and with so many picks out the door in the coming years. This isn't something a new GM can come in to figure out on the fly, unless it's to break up the team for rebuilding including trading Harden. To try to move forward with Harden, and continue to make the playoffs next year and beyond, you really need to know all the quirks of Harden, what he can do, what he can't do, what he likes, what he doesn't like. He does have a lot of positives, which can be seen in anchoring a team that's been in the playoffs in the West all 8 of the seasons he's been there, and 53+ in five of those seasons. I just don't think a new GM can get an understanding of those things on the fly like Morey already has.

On the flip side, it is likely a good time for Morey to leave and find the right Owner to build a new relationship and team with. He's gone as far as possible with Houston, and the new owner always looked like something Morey wouldn't long survive. Given the owner's financial issues due to covid impacting his businesses, the team is probably going to have some serious ownership issues in the coming years. Good time for Morey to get out.

I look forward to seeing the next chapter with him.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the new head coach who's going to be tasked with Zion is Stan Van Gundy. Interesting hire. There's also the never-ending rumors that his brother Jeff will finally return to the coaching ranks with Houston.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

latest rumor has the NBA season aiming to start December 22nd. THat's going to be a very chaotic couple of months. I guess they got spooked by the low ratings, and decided to have the Christmas games after all. Also apparently they want to have a 60-70 game season and end in June, so that there's time for the Olympics.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think December 22 is insane and has zero chance of happening given it's 10/26 right now.

Here's what I speculated during the shut down if the Finals we set to end with a Game 7 on 9/6:

09/06/20 Game 7 of Finals
09/09/20 Draft
09/20/20 Free Agency Starts

Normal off season --> revised off season after that:

Sep 27 --> Nov 30 Media Day
Sep 28 --> Dec 1 Training Camp Opens
Oct 5 --> Dec 8 Pre-Season Starts
Oct 18 --> Dec 21 Pre-Season Ends
Oct 22 --> Dec 25 Opening Day

So we're already behind the 8-ball:

* Game 7 would have been 10/13, a month after I set

The Series did end "early" with Game 6 on Oct 11, which is still a full month off.

* NBA draft is now 11/18

That's *two* months past what I sent.

* NBA Free Agency is ????

The NBA hasn't even set it yet. Usually it's usually within two weeks after the Draft. The natural one here would be 11/30 or so.

You need some time for FA before you open camps... even two weeks would be rushed. And camps typically are 20-25 days before the season opens, with pre-season as well.

MLK Day is January 18. That frankly is a bit rushed as it's only two months between the Draft and the start of the regular season. But that's more reasonable.

* * * * *

Danny Green was on one of the Ringer podcasts and joked in a serious way that Bron would take the first month off if the season started on Christmas. Given the Lakers just finished on 10/11, with both the Lakers and Heat banged up... yeah... 12/25 is insane.

There's too much to do. Not just the normal stuff, but also in figuring out how to run the season as Covid spikes back up (which is happening right now).

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that's the confirmed date. Regular season starting December 22nd.

Yeah I still think this is too ambitious to happen, and I do still think they got spooked by the low ratings a few months ago, and no Christmas games.

I would think now, there will be minimal moves in free agency and trades, and maybe in the regular season, since covid is not going away at all.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about the money.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Paul goes to the Suns for half their team. This could either be a great move which would put the Suns as a playoff team, riding the momentum of their unexpected bubble run last season. Or like many of the Chris Paul led teams, a colossal disappointment.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

corrado wrote:
Chris Paul goes to the Suns for half their team. This could either be a great move which would put the Suns as a playoff team, riding the momentum of their unexpected bubble run last season. Or like many of the Chris Paul led teams, a colossal disappointment.


PHX has two goals, specifically in this order:

1. keeping Booker happy
2. make the playoffs

The risk of the first is Booker demanding a trade out, which in the current NBA tends to happen if a player pushes. He doesn't really want to be on a team that isn't in the playoffs, which ties into #2.

The Suns haven't been in the playoffs since 2009/10. That is 10 full seasons of no playoffs. Since they went to the Finals in 1976, their longest stretch out of the playoffs has been 3 straight in the 80s... and after that just one season here and there where they have been out. 10 straight seasons is a hell hole.

CP3 helps with #2. The last time he was out of the playoffs was 2006, his second year. He also has a track record of playing with scoring stars (Blake & Harden) and sharing the ball (Blake, Harden and the three-headed PG monster in OKC last year). He also remains an excellent defensive PG, which is kind of needed next to Booker.

The negative is that CP3 expects a certain commitment to play, and especially defense, that can wear over time with teammates who over time don't give a shit about defense and tend to be babies.

That actually isn't a major problem here. CP3 has 2 years left on his contract. After the coming season, it will be an expiring 1. PHX is really just trying to buy time with Booker and get him to buy into the franchise rather than lobbying to create his super friends team elsewhere.

* * * * *

As far as half the team:

Thunder get:
Kelly Oubre Jr. - he's up for an extension that is going to be expensive
Ricky Rubio - not needed with CP3
Ty Jerome - raw prospect
Jalen Lecque - raw prospect
2022 first-round pick - 2021 is the loaded draft, not 2022

OKC has to pay someone, so they may keep Rubio for most of the season and look for him as a potential deadline trade for a pick. On the other hand, his contract is $17M this year and next... that's not deadline material for most any team.

Oubre improved his 3P% shooting, but has never been good at it before. You get the sense of PHX looking to cash in on him before they had to overpay for him.

PHX having a standard CP3 team season isn't a disaster. They would be perfectly happy to do what OKC did last season.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More interesting is the potential Harden to Brooklyn trainwreck trade, along with Westbrook potentially wanting out of HOU for pennies on the dollar.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also anoher thing why this could benefit OKC in the long run, more draft picks to them. Presti is doing a fine job, and this coming off a playoff run too.

The Harden to Nets rumors keep heating up:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30332878/sources-houston-rockets-star-james-harden-focused-trade-nets

For this trade to go down, the Nets might have to part with some of the key players they had, that helped them be another bubble success. Cais Levert, Jarrett Allen. Aside from Irving, Durant, they have a very good core of young players that could help increase the gap between them, and their crosstown rivals. But the NETS FO is very smart, and might keep a couple of players, but part ways with the rights to several draft picks. I would assume that if they part with those players, we get several veterans, signing for cheap 1-year deals. Maybe some Lakers from last year?

Parting with Westbrook is going to be quite the Herclulean task. From the Clips, to the Hornets, to the Knicks. Those of some of the teams that are rumored to be interested. But will have to gut a lot of their payroll to get him, which seems doubtful at best.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Parting with Westbrook is going to be quite the Herclulean task. From the Clips, to the Hornets, to the Knicks. Those of some of the teams that are rumored to be interested. But will have to gut a lot of their payroll to get him, which seems doubtful at best.


The Knicks is a pretty easy deal if the Knicks just want some star power on a team that's been going nowhere for the past seven years. They have a tone of expiring contracts that can match Westbrooks salary. The Rockets, if they're trading Harden, would probably be happy just to dump Westbrook's contract.

But it feels like the Knicks have all those expiring contracts so that they can be players in next year's free agent market.

The Clippers chasing him would be batshit crazy.

I kind of hope he goes to the Hornets and Jordan. That would be funny. :)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the Bucks want to placate Giannis, so they acquired Jrue Holiday from the Pelicans, for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, and future draft picks.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They also picked up Bogdanovic.

Holiday, Bogdanovic, Middleton, Giannis and Lopez is a rather potent starting line up.

Their depth is lessened, but they needed to beef up their starting line up and get another reliable 3P shooter.

Cost them a ton in terms of those picks and pick swaps *if* Giannis leaves. It's an all-in move, and they bust out if he changes his mind and leaves as a FA after this season.

It's kind of a no brainer if the team was in a larger market / had a better rep of being a title winner. Big risk for the Bucks if things go south with him. Perhaps the way they look at it is that if Giannis leaves, they can retool and be "okay" in the East.That's a little tricky as Bogdanovic is due to be PAID after this season, while Holiday has a player opt-out and likely will want to be PAID as well unless he's title hunting. They would want to retool to avoid those picks and pick swaps from turning into disasters.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Klay injury is sounding pretty worrisome at the moment, like a potential Achilles. :(
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