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2017-2018 L.A. Lakers Thread (exhale)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we get to being a serous problem to one of these contending teams....they are just going to foul Ball. As a point, he has no value if he can't shoot FT. You have to bench him late in games. You can just let him miss FTs.

They need to get that problem over before anything else. He should be shooting at least 500 a day. Forget the 3's. A major point guard has to shoot in the 80%s---Yohe
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Win came because Grizz really, really suck, but Kuzma is fucking nails.

Lonzo tainted a great floor game with those two bricks at the end.

If Ingram comes back, they can win next four.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guren wrote:
Lonzo is such a talented player, but... I dunno about the shooting. He was wide, wide open for the first two 3s he took starting from around 2 minutes left. The Pellies just dared him to shoot and he couldn't make them pay. On the positive side, he has shown in stretches that he can hit 3s. CP3, KD, and LeBron shot less than 30% from 3 in their rookie seasons. Then again, Lonzo is shooting 46% on free throws. This is a really ominous sign because historically there has been a correlation between free throw percentage and 3-point proficiency. Something to keep an eye on.


The scary thing, in addition to the FT%, is his 2P%:

.432 Rondo (20)
.407 Ball (20)
.363 Rubio (21)

It's better than Rubio, but south of Rondo... who jumped it up to .499 in his second year and has largely been there his whole career. Rubio finally got above .400 last year and this (.443 in both).

Ball's splits are horrid as well:

.490 0-3 feet
.245 3-10 feet
.400 10-16 feet
.222 16 feet - <3P
.305 3P

That layup number is bad, let alone the rest being trainwrecks.

I was going to say he might turn into a healthy Rubio, which is a valuable-but limited player since Rubio is a terrific defensive player but the shooting is a problem if you want to win Championships. But that "healthy" is an issue as well. Ball needs to play in all of the remaining games to get to 60. Even that would mean missing more than a quarter of the season with various injuries to his wheels.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAG wrote:
Win came because Grizz really, really suck, but Kuzma is fucking nails.


Good lord are the Grizzzzzz terrible. The Conley and Parsons contracts are milestones that aren't tradeable at the moment. Maybe they could get someone to take the Gasol contract since it might just be one year left (he has a player option in 2019/20). But $24,119,025 next year is a ton when he's declining. It's a real mess.


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If Ingram comes back, they can win next four.


I'll take 3-1 to get us to 35 wins. After that it gets rough.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have been tanking for years. Gasol is someone I thought the Lakers might go for, when James says no. I hope not. If we can't get two superstars, I wouldn't mind signing Lopez for one year & trying again for a FA the next year. The younger players seem to like him.

I don't know if they like having Thomas around or not. He's good for points at times & he shoots FT well late in games. But he yells at other player. A game or so ago, Lopez missed a hard dunk....and Thomas started yelling at him about something. Lopez didn't like it, but tried to not react much, then Lopez looked over to Ball & smiled....and ball, a guy who never reacts...rolled his eyes.

Ball isn't a finisher either. He has to make some lay ups & stop passing when he has a shot near the basket. Everyone is playing him to pass. If he misses there is a good chance he'll get fouled.....wait...he can't shoot FT!!

HE is just going to have to learn to shoot. He'll have an extra month this summer.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting Twitter thread by Peter Zayas (@LakerFilmRoom) about Lonzo in the PnR.

THREAD: Lonzo is starting to make the right reads & decisions on the PnR. He has tremendous instincts & court vision, but I think thatís different than reading & reacting. His feel for the game is sometimes confused for his understanding of it, which is still developing. 1/

Look at how smooth he was on those pull-ups tonight. You canít simply decide to do that one day and have the footwork down. Iíve seen the pre-game/post-practice work that he puts in on exactly those shots. So what has the problem been? His decision-making. 2/

Like many young players, Lonzo has shot selection issues. Itís just on the opposite end of the spectrum. Those exact shots that he took & made tonight have been available all season, and heís passed them up, to the detriment of the team. He was making the wrong decision. 3/

Plays like that are where ďfeel for the gameĒ starts to diverge from understanding it. There are 6 or 7 ways of defending PnRs, & there are specific ways to beat all of them. A vet G will identify the coverage & know how to beat it, because of how many times theyíve seen it. 4/

Young guards make the wrong read far more often, and this is a big reason why their eFG%ís are usually terrible as rookies. Itís not a matter of talent or athleticism, itís that they used a hammer when they shouldíve been using a wrench. They decided on the wrong tool. 5/

So back to Lonzo. Heís further behind the curve than most young guards on ball screens. He ran fewer ball screens at Chino Hills & UCLA than his counterparts did in their basketball upbringing, by a significant amount, especially where he was the guy who needed to score. 6/

Itís counter-intuitive to think of Lonzo as a bad decisionmaker, but he has been on ball screens throughout the year. Heís overpenetrated or passed up the pull-up against drop coverages, made the skip pass when the weak side wing didnít tag, etc. 7/

All of those things pointed to him anticipating the defense rather than reading it. And it makes sense that a guy w/such a great feel for the game would try to rely on his instincts. But what we saw tonight was him reading the defense, and then choosing the right tool. 8/

After enough reps, Lonzoís instincts will kick back in & heíll able to read pick & roll coverages faster than other guys do. He still has a lot of technical work to do, but him being able to read the defense to determine what tool he should use is just as important. /end
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ainít worried about Lonzo. Heís simply too good at basketball to not figure the shooting out.

Lonzo is better than Rubio was as a rookie who was a year older and had extensive experience with the Spanish National team.

The comp is Jason Kidd and Lonzo compares favorably.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isaiah out the rest of the season:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22943800/isaiah-thomas-surgery-los-angeles-lakers-interested-new-deal

So he'll be back only if they fail to get the big options, which seems likely.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Win came because the Mavs really, really suck. :)

Nice to have Ingram back. Randle has stopped passing. Ech.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Mavs were down 92-86 with 5:18 left, so to ensure there would be no damaging comeback, they played this fivesome until the end of the game:

- Kyle Collinsworth
- Jalen Jones
- Johnathan Motley
- Aaron Harrison
- Maximilian Kleber

That lineup is a Max Kleber away from being completely unknown to me, and I am a League Pass subscriber who follows the league fairly closely.

I hope Lonzo's knee is okay.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tank.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need to beat the Kings tonight. It's playoff teams/contenders after that, with the exception of the final game if the Clippers get eliminated.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a win, what a win, what win.

Kuzma getting 30 after Luke benched Randle in the 4th was quite something.

Wish Lonzo and Ingram were getting this valuable experience, but Iíll take Kuzma, Hart and Zubac getting it done.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nutty close to the season. Job to the Bucks and Kings at home, then beat the Spurs.

34 wins, just one away from 35. If we lost to the Spurs, 35 likely would have been out the window.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Statue of Baylor....but I don't remember him being left handed.

Elgin did not invent the jump shot.

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