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Bob Morris



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it laughable how Kroenke gets painted as the villain in all of this.

Kroenke is far from being a patron saint and he's often hired the wrong people to run his franchises, but the only thing he was really guilty of was telling St. Louis that he'd be OK with the local government funding a study for a new stadium, then telling them to go fuck themselves because he wanted to move to LA.

Otherwise, he's hardly close to being the worst offender. He's putting up the money himself when most of the other owners want to help themselves to taxpayer money to fund their ventures.

Heck, when Denver did their planning for a "sports venue district," Kroenke was the only team owner who didn't help himself to taxpayer money for his venue. I like what Pat Bowlen has done overall with the Broncos, but I'll never ignore that he helped himself to public funds to pay for the new stadium. Charlie Monfort did the same with the Rockies' stadium, yet both were largely ignored because the Broncos were the most beloved franchise and the Rockies were, at the time, the clear No. 2.

Meanwhile, Kroenke owned the franchise that few gave a shit about (the Nuggets) and one that people liked because of Stanley Cup wins (the Avs) but was nowhere near the level of the Broncos and arguably wasn't at the level of the Rockies at the time.

And so, now we have the beloved St. Louis Rams who everyone fondly remembers for the Greatest Show on Turf and this big fan loyalty there, even though the previous owners yanked them out of LA to go help themselves to the public fund trough.

Oh, and Spanos could have pulled the Chargers into LA at any point he wanted but he couldn't convince anyone to put up enough money for a stadium, so let's pull in Mark Davis to help me out. Then he can act surprised that the owners went with Kroenke anyway.

So, yeah, Kroenke has his issues, but at least he'll put his own dime down to build the facilities and doesn't give a shit if a city throws taxpayer money at him. He wants to go where he wants to go and doesn't give a fuck what people think.

And, no, I doubt he tries to move any of the Denver teams he has (even if his son is technically listed as the owner) because he owns the Pepsi Center, so as long as his family owns the teams, he'll keep them there. The same thing will apply to the LA Rams as long as he owns them because he'll want the most money possible from his venue.

Meanwhile, I suspect somebody will cough up a bunch of money to get the Chargers or Raiders to come their way.

Oh, and I don't see the point in having two teams in LA. The NFL seems to think people will support two teams because the NBA and MLB support two teams, but they forget that...

* The Lakers will always be the kings unless they go on a 50-year losing streak, while the Clippers will always be the second-class citizen that will go right back to "who gives a shit" if they ever return to their historical mediocrity.

* The Dodgers and Angels have both been in the LA metro area since before the 1970s, so the fanbases are already in place.

So if a second team does go to LA, that team might end up being the equivalent of the Clippers, even if the Rams aren't the equivalent of the Lakers. Or maybe both teams become Clippers equivalents... whatever.

At any rate, there's a lot of nuttiness and bong hitting going on, but Kroenke is hardly the worst of them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hue Jackson is going to be the head coach of the Browns. One of the best coaching options is now gone.

Time will tell if he'll do the same to Johnny Football as he did to Dalton. Given Manziel is still with the Browns, which still seems very doubtful.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not even sure if Hugh is a great coaching option. He bombed at the Raiders, with front office issues as well. People close to USC's program still talk shit about him from his coaching time there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the reports are that Jackson doesn't want Johnny around. Most likely, the Browns just cut Manziel and eat the money he's due.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Giants have their head coach. Their offensive coordinator, Ben McAdoo. This keeps the continuity they had. And the main reason for this, was to keep Eli happy. Since he was very upset that Coughlin left.

This was basically the best move they had to make. The other options were thin at best. Doug Marrone, who walked out on the Bills. Even if this means another year of Spags helming the defense.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Chip Kelly is going to coach the 49ers. That should be a very interesting fit.

One wonders if Kapernick will stay after all. I cant see Chip reliving his failure with Sam Bradford, again, with Gabbo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Niners hire Jim Harbaugh. He clashes with Trent Baalke and they basically force Harbaugh out.

Niners hire Chip Kelly, who won a power play in Philly.

Yeah, this one's not going to end well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's going to be yet another trainwreck with the York Family.

JDW's Second Worst Nightmare: Post Jerry Lakers = Post Eddie 49ers
JDW's Worst Nightmare: Lakers = Raiders once Al lost his mind

Things can go bad when once strong Family Leadership either loses it's mind or the stupid ones take over. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple more vacancies have been filled. Philly is going to hire the Chiefs Offensive coordinator, Doug Pederson.

While Tampa Bay is going to hire to promote their offensive coordinator, Dirk Koetter. Like the Giants, In-house continuity for their star QB came first.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdw wrote:
It's going to be yet another trainwreck with the York Family.

True, but at least the 49ers should be entertaining both on and off the field next year. This year was dismal because the team was both terrible and boring.

And, as someone on Twitter pointed out, maybe this will work out because there are no talented players on the 49ers for Kelly to trade away.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another day, another Johnny Manziel episode:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/30/police-deal-with-another-incident-between-manziel-girlfriend/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/30/police-searched-for-manziel-with-helicopter/

So unless Jerry Jones is intrigued by Manziel's "leadership", he might be done already.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why you buyout the biggest paper in a state:

Sheldon Adelson Is Killing Stories About How Much His Raiders Stadium Will Cost Las Vegas

It's hardly the only thing the Adelson Family has done to the paper since taking over. When you're worth $20B, $150M isn't that much money, especially when you can use it to kill stories about the family's attempts top con the city and state out of $600M to finance an NFL stadium.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/johnny-manziel-threatened-ex-girlfriend/32613842

This might put an end to Johnny Football, if true. Here's one of the more disturbing parts:

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Sources say Manziel then got on Interstate 30 and began driving to her apartment in Fort Worth. While en route, she claims, she yelled at him, "I hate you!" He allegedly replied that "he was going to drop me off, take my car and go kill himself," sources said.

She says she thought he was on drugs or maybe having a psychotic break. She told police she then began telling him she loved him.

She says at that time Manziel "started laughing" and then reportedly yelled at her to "shut up or I'll kill us both."
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny's biggest problem with the NFL (speaking in terms of how the NFL looks at it, not how the rest of us do) isn't what he's done in this and other incidents, but that he hadn't succeed at all in the NFL. If he were a star to some degree, there would be some team out there cutting him slack... eventually.

Instead, Johnny is a headache to teams, has substance abuse issues, doesn't seem to give a shit about cleaning up, possibly has abused his girlfriend... and hasn't done anything in the NFL. Given the last past, teams can't set the other stuff.

That's how the NFL thinks.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well his road just got more difficult for him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/05/johnny-manziels-agent-dumps-him/

Not just that, his preferred destination doesnt want him anymore:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/05/report-cowboys-dont-want-manziel/

I would think more, that Jerry's son Stephen Jones, talked some sense into his father.
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