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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim on Gasol last night.

Defense:

The first tweet in that is a clip of all his defenses against Luka in 14 ball screens. then he has three follow up comments below it in the thread:

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1342709368492601345

This a two-tweet thread with a pair of clips on his rim protection. He's actually in good spots, but just isn't the athletic shot blocker threat that Howard/McGee are to do something about it:

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1342711644913328128

Offense:

An example of where the starting unit isn't running an off ball movement when the ball is in Gasol's hands:

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1342703674578137088

Bron doesn't cut to the basket when Dallas switches the defenders as Bron's is effectively screened by Gasol and Luka (not a good defender) switches to Bron. Marc turns his body looking for the chance to make the pass. The potential of a cut to the basket is (i) getting a pass from Gasol over the top of a now short defender on him, (ii) elements of the defense collapsing towards the rim to defend against the threat of LEBRON running towards the rim, which (iii) potentially opens up Schroder in the corner to receive a pass for 3 and/or KCP at the angle for a 3 and/or AD at the top for a more open 3. It all depends on how many of the defenders panic at the thought of Bron heading to the rim.

The most likely is AD getting wide open trailing 3 as he's guarded by 6-10 Center Dwight Powell who is positioning his body in the free throw circle to be able to bail backwards to protect the rim... and is eyeballing the shit out of Gasol and Lebron.

Memphis and Toronto knew how to run this stuff because they just were use to playing with Gasol. We probably will get there as the guys have more time with him. If it doesn't happen with the Bron-AD-Schorder set, look for Gasol to get some minutes with non-Bron units where there's less Bron-dominant ball handling and more sets being run.

These two are more positive. This is a hilarious seal from Gasol that cleared things for Schroder to get a clear path to the hoop. It is obvious when you see it, but he's smart and subtle in how he does it to avoid getting called for a foul.

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1342712266521780224

This is the famous Gasol outlet passing:

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1342713243614253056

The Lakers last year had such a pattern of busting AD long that he attracts deep coverage. Once Gasol gets the rebound, he's looking long. In turn, Bron is breaking and looking for the ball. Gasol is smart enough to avoid giving the ball to Bron, which Howard and McGee would have done because he is LEBRON. Instead by looking long for AD, Gasol also see that KCP has busted long and wide left. It's such a great pass that turns it into a 3-on-1 with AD camped by the hoop, Bron running like a locomotive in the middle beyond the defense and KCP with options like even taking a 3P knowing that AD+Bron would be 2-on-1 for the offensive rebound. KCP isn't exactly Steph or Klay in transition 3's, so he makes the right choice to Bron in the middle who alley oops to AD once he draws the defender a step towards him.

Dallas has bad defense, and this is an example. Just terrible transition defense where AD+Lebron 2-on-1 in transition would be bad enough, but by letting KCP go as well it's a horrorshow. But Gasol's "right choice" pass is what turns this into a 100% DOA defense.

There's room for improvement. These guys need some time playing together, and possibly the staff finding other rotations for some Gasol minutes to develop relationships.

We're also going to get some Load Management games where there isn't Bron out there, and the team will run sets where Gasol's passing it part of the offense. We already saw some of it in the preseason.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I picked the wrong game of the back-to-back to talk Yohe into watching together on the phone. :P
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good pod with the Kamenetzky Brothers hosting Tim"

Kamenetzky Brothers: The Lakers are Evolving and Winning at the Same Time with Guest @Tim_NBA (Cranjis McBasketball)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An excellent look by Tim at the Lakers new defense:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/865183856

He will have a follow up on how teams are attacking it, and how we can tweak to meet those attacks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really good performance by the team tonight. The starers were really good. The bench had their moments until garbage times.

I'm okay with THT having shitty nights like this after having a good game the last time out. Every time he has a good game the entire fanbase and the media lose their shit and over hype him. The kid has positives, and has stuff to keep working on. Folks need to back off and let things play out without the over hype.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the best Lakers team since?

‘09 is the easy joke. But ‘01? Earlier?

They have so many good players that they’re dominating while experimenting. I couldn’t even enjoy the last two nights because they destroyed both teams in the first half.

Long way to July, but they’re a tier above everyone and it’s obvious. They have the best player, the best big and the most depth.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are better than 2009 as that team:

* they took a long time to figure out Ariza was the 5th starter

I can't recall what Phil was thinking

* they were pretty light in the bench other than Odom - Farmar, Walton & Sasha

Those guys had "useful" seasons, but I don't think we counted on any of those guys for crunch performances other than Odom. We had crunch performances last year from Caruso and Kieff in big time playoff games.

2001 was bizarre:

* Fish missed 3/4 of the season and Harper missed 1/2 - combined 66 game

* Grant was 35 and solid rather than Grant of the early and mid 90s.

* the bench was pretty much just Horry and Shaw due to the guard injuries

* Harper was washed by the playoffs, forcing Phil to play basically 7-deep

That seven-deep was pretty choice with Prime Shaq, Prime #8 Kobe, and five really nice & smart role players around them in Fish, Grant, Fox, Horry and Shaw. Though four of those guys were past their prime while Fish was young and likely peaked later.

You could go 7-deep in those days. Would be harder today with spacing, switching and greater defensive pace.

1987 had:

* peak Magic
* peak Worthy
* near-peak Scott
* Jabbar still able to chip in 17+ and hit the Sky Hook
* Coop able to spot at PG, SG and SF
* high role player addition in Thompson
* quality role player in Green
* useful banger Rambis if needed post-Thompson trade

The one thing they were missing would be a shooting guard off the bench. I'd flip that and say we had the benefit of Coop being able to fill so many roles on offense and defense that we didn't really need a gunner off the bench.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like this year's team. We could quibble that we'd like a mobile rim protecting C somewhere on the roster, and that might be something they'll address when they can fit a contract into their remaining apron cap space. But...

Off Rtg: 114.8 (5th of 30)
Def Rtg: 104.4 (1st of 30)
Net Rtg: +10.5 (2nd of 30)

There have been times when our defense has been frustrating, including a decent number where Bron is taking too many possessions off or other players are slow on help/switches. But we kinda sorta still have the best defense in the NBA. I'm not 100% certain that I'd agree with "best", but it's worth noting that all sorts of good teams are having issues and inconsistencies in this oddball season. If we're not the best so far, we do happen to be Damn Good.

The offense as well has been choppy at times, and wonderful at others. There are a lot of times where we go into Bron Iso-Ball where he misses passes that he would have made last year, and instead barrels to the hoop. We started the season with some nice action for AD, and now often get a little stagnant with Iso. It doesn't seem like anyone on the team has established a relationship with Trez other than Kuz. We flat out aren't using Gasol's offensive positives as consistently as we could. Schroder is a work in progress as he's going through a bit of a recent shooting slump. People have been in and out of the bench with injuries or covid, so it hasn't gelled as well as one would like in the different units/rotations...

But... but... but...

5th in Offensive Rating. We were 11th last year, though the poor play in the regular season Bubble Games likely dragged us out of the Top 10.

We're not playing as well as we eventually should, and we're already awfully good.

If the team gels together as a unit like last year, there isn't much stopping us other than major injuries to Bron and/or AD. Good, deep and versatile. Good lord... we're even shooting .396. We have some people over there heads, but only one person (THT) shooting them poorly. We're holding our opponents to .341 even with the defense admittedly being a work in progress.

Lots of fun.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We didn't start well, but it went from 45-30 Pelicans to 108-83 Lakers from 6:37 2nd to 4:18 4th when it became garbage time. That was a 78-38 Lakers run in 26 minutes.

It was a little choppy as we would go on a nice runs (such as individual ones of 11-0, 13-4, 17-2), then fart around a little, then fart around some more, then another run. The final run was a 24-4 run that pushed the lead up to 25 points.

All the runs were really cool to watch as they were a combo of terrific defense and quality offense.

One of the nice things about the night is that AD and Schroder has pretty mediocre offensive nights for them, but really locked down on defense even when the shots weren't falling. Caruso was really strong on defense, and his shots were falling.

I thought the team defense on Zion was really good. There were times when he looked unstoppable throwing his weight around. But look at the results: 9/19 with none of them 3P some free throws but not too many, the end result was 21 points. 9/19 with 4 turnovers... that's a lot of stops rather than unstoppable.

The team is a lot of fun to watch.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I very very impressed with that win against NO. They took them apart. It looked like a tough game. ---Yohe
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is from two weeks ago, but KOC focusing on the additions to the Lakers:

The Los Angeles Lakers Are Even Better Than Last Year

Posted on the 7th, likely shot and produced on the 6th before the loss to the Spurs. Since this we've gone 5-1 - the loss to the Spurs, the too close for comfort game with the Bulls, then crushing the jobbers Rockets and jobber Thunder before beating down the Pelicans. I don't think KOC would change anything he had in this, other than pointing out that the defense has locked in quite a bit more in the past four games after AD publicly knocked the team's defensive play.

I do like how he pointed to Schroder's "on ball" (aka "point of attack") defense. He just flat out busts his ass on it in a consistent night after night, quarter after quarter fashion. That lets people like KCP slide into other roles as chasers/ wing defenders rather than primary point of attack defenders.

It's a really versatile defensive roster when everyone is healthy. Barring injuries, it gives Vogel and the staff a ton of options to toss at different opponents and different match ups. I think right now they're working on getting the core understanding of the new defensive down. Over time they might experiment a bit more, such as bringing Gasol back in against people like Kanter rather than force Trez on him or have AD get banged up.

In turn, there are a lot of offensive options to role out together, which in turn lets there be a variety of defensive options. A "small" crunch time line up of AD-Bron-Caruso-KCP-Schroder surrounds Bron & AD with three guys who can defend, have speed, can switch, hit the 3P. Or mix in Mathews... or Kieff... or Kuzma...

Really cool team.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a dogshit performance. It starts at the top - Bron was really bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL

It’s hard to blow big leads twice.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was painful as we were all laughing at the Clippers blowing a big lead against the Dubs. :)

We need to stop rolling out this lineup:

https://twitter.com/CreatveDestroyr/status/1351304326103273473

Quote:
Tom Zayas @CreatveDestroyr

The Lakers 2nd most used lineup:

Wes | LBJ | Kuz | Kieff | Trez

In 86 mins, per @cleantheglass , are

NEGATIVE 32.8

And folks, lemme tell you, my blood boils every time it happens. 11-3 and a -32.8 lineup is your 2nd most frequently used one??

3:03 PM · Jan 18, 2021


His follow ups:

Quote:
They score 69.4 points per 100 half court plays with this lineup

115.4 p/100 in transition. If they ain’t runnin

“Don’t worry, their defense will make up for it!” Nope, 117.7 p/100

Replace #0 with Caruso: +36.0
Replace #0 with THT: +13.6


It's worth noting that Tim and Tom were pointing that out *before* last night's game. The first run the Warriors made was when that line up appeared.

All five of those players are good and work okay in other rotations. There are other line ups where Kuzma works really well. This isn't one of them.

This really should be a line up where it's Caruso-Mathews-Bron-Kieff-Trez. I get that Kuz and Trez have a decent understanding. But this rotation grinds to a halt in the half court. A large amount of that is Bron going iso rather than working flow. But another part of it is defense where Mathews or Kuz are working point of attack rather than Schroder or Caruso. Put Caruso into this rotation and he works point of attach, leaving Mathews to chase and wing defend.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Mahoney:

The Lakers’ New Beginnings Are Even Better Than Their Championship Finish

Subheader:

Quote:
Rather than run it back, the Lakers chose to make a mostly fresh start. Now with Marc Gasol and Dennis Schröder in the mix, the champs’ starting lineup is far and away the best in the NBA.


Worth a read.
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