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JAG
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Dwight's people trying score Houston off post-haste. Per David Aldridge at NBA.com:
...a source with knowledge of Howard’s thinking said Monday that there was “not a chance” Howard would be persuaded to remain in Houston if traded there, and would leave next summer to sign elsewhere.
Already known I suppose and Morey has said he'd do it anyway, but the article also says the Rockets have been shopping Lowery and 14-16 to move into lottery and also shopping Kevin Martin to get another first rounder. You do all that and he likely leaves.
Or you just give the Lakers Lowery-stuff 14-16 for Pau and get him for two years. Just saying. ;)
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JAG
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Morey is undeterred.
Buddinger to Minny for No. 18 pick.
So now he has 14-16-18 and is looking to move up by dangling those and Lowery or Martin.
What two late lottery picks to go with Scola/Martin be enough for Dwight?
Sounds like the Lakers are shopping Pau and Artest. Hoping to get a late first rounder for Ron, but who's biting on that contract and craziness?
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Rian
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Houston will move up in the lottery, not to trade for Dwigt |
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jdw
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: |
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That's fine. Move up to trade for Gasol, then we can trade those picks to Orlando for Howard. ;)
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Rian
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| No, they're not looking for anyone in the league already (Houston), they're looking to move up in the lottery. |
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jdw
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| So then they are rebuilding? There isn't a lot of buzz on that. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Larry Bird will step down in Indiana and his replacement is former Pacer excutive and Knick excutive, Donnie Walsh:
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/06/26/bird-leaving-pacers-walsh-returning/
With the Pacers on the rise and giving the Heat one of the more difficult series in the playoffs for them, this may continue to give them hope that they'll break through in the future. |
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Rian
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| jdw wrote: | | So then they are rebuilding? There isn't a lot of buzz on that. |
Someone has to replace Yao and McGrady. :) And yes I know they both haven't been an active Rocket since 2010. |
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jdw
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Gasol = Yao. And they have guards who are better than T-Mac at the end of his run in Houston. :)
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Rian
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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They probably still have deflated basketballs that were more productive than T-Mac at the end of his career.
Gasol is not Yao, hell Bynum isn't even Yao. |
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jdw
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Rian wrote: | | Gasol is not Yao, hell Bynum isn't even Yao. |
Gasol is 2 months older than Yao. His last full season:
2009 PTS-TRB-AST-BLK FG%/FT%
19.7-9.9-1.8-1.9 54.8%/86.6% - Yao
18.9-9.6-3.5-1.0 56.7%/78.1% - Gasol
Yao was healthy that year, coming off three seasons of missing 20-30+ games. 2009 was about as good as Pao would ever get again *if* he stayed healthy. Given the age, he might have declined a bit
Since 2009, Pao has averaged over the past three years:
18.2-9-10.6-3.4-1.6 52.2%/80.2%
That's at the high end of what could have been expected out of Yao if he could have maintained his health at 2009 levels. The FG% difference is largely due to this year where Pao was forced off the block due to Bynum. Yao was a better FT%, but it's not like Pao's 80% is bad for a center. Pao's a better passed, and a better rebounder (and probably much better of Bynum wasn't around. Pao's scoring average is held down by Kobe and now Bynum to a degree. Yao was the leading scoring on those 2009 Rockets, and Ron-Ron was the second leading scoring with two points a game less.
Really... the reason the Rockets have had a hardon for Pao is that he's at the level Yao would be if his career didn't end, and the same age. They have been trying to replace Yao. :)
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JAG
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Morey still after it. Bunch of role players exchanged with Milwaukee as he turns 14th pick into No. 12. Now has 12-16-18.
And these two tidbits from the LA Times beat guy:
Mike Bresnahan: The Atlanta Hawks have been pursuing Pau Gasol, The Times has learned. Nothing imminent, but Josh Smith would be key piece going to Lakers. about 34 minutes ago
Mike Bresnahan: Separetely, Lakers interested in Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, would be open to trading Pau for Top-5 pick and right package o' players about 9 minutes ago
J-Smoove is best friends with Dwight. Just saying. :)
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jdw
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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PBT is full of all sorts of interesting stuff leading into the draft. Looking at headlines:
| Quote: | | Kevin Martin will not re-sign in Houston. Think trade. |
$12M expiring contract. Seems like a lot of players in Houston no longer want to play there. McHale has made a lot of friends. :)
The question will be whether they trade him for picks, or trade Martin + Picks for Big Star(s).
| Quote: | | Lakers trying to trade Gasol, make big move, but no takers yet |
No shit! :) I tend to agree with the piece that they are unlikely to make a trade involving Gasol around the draft unless something falls in their lap.
| Quote: | | It’s official: Deron Williams did not pick up option, now fun begins |
There seems to be some buzz that he might be favoring Brooklyn, but that might just be momentary as it's the only place Howard could also end up with him. In addition, the Mavs & Cuban can't really go full court on him until he officially was a FA. Williams wants to get this done really quickly before the Olympic training starts, so it's about two weeks. The Magic aren't likely to close a deal by then, which means he would have to take it as an article of faith that the Nets will get Howard... and risk the Nets *not* getting him and going to suck.
I still think the Mavs, since they've set themselves up nicely for this off season. Howard may end up in Brooklyn after that, which would be funny since they'll turn into a 42-40 type of franchise with Howard and a bunch of overpaid useless bodies. A bit like the current Magic, just worse.
| Quote: | | Price for Bobcats No. 2 pick? Tyrus Thomas. |
Good lord... another sign of what a shitty Owner/GM Jordan is. That Thomas deal was terrible, and now they'll leverage the #2 pick to try to get rid of it. They'll call it "trading down to get more picks", but a driving reason will be to dump the contract.
| Quote: | | Celtics, 76ers, Timberwolves pursuing Jamal Crawford |
He has a player opt-out option as the piece indicates. I don't get why, if he wants to get Paid, that he doesn't just opt out and go somewhere else... and why a team would risk trading for a guy who might leave. I know Bird-Rights give the team that has him some benefits in re-signing, but there may be a team out there with a lot of cap space that would sign him. Maybe he wants a Ring... but he certainly didn't sign the current deal in the hopes of that.
If the Blazers can find a sucker to take him off their hands, more power to them. Can't believe someone would give a 1st rounder for him.
| Quote: | | Clippers, Mavericks talking Lamar Odom trade |
Oh dear lord... there is talk in that piece of it being a three way: LO to the Clips, Mo Williams to the Lakers, and a place holder to the Mavs. LO's buyout has to be done by Friday, unless he and the Mavs extend it.
Jag: how do you like Mo Williams and his $8.5M contract (player option) as your new PG / Back up PG? ;)
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jdw
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| JAG wrote: | | Morey still after it. Bunch of role players exchanged with Milwaukee as he turns 14th pick into No. 12. Now has 12-16-18. |
The Mothership is still pimping their Houston/Howard talking point. They do also have Martin ("I hate McHale") and Lowry ("I ain't extending") to trade. If they don't go for Howard, it could be interesting.
| Quote: | And these two tidbits from the LA Times beat guy:
Mike Bresnahan: The Atlanta Hawks have been pursuing Pau Gasol, The Times has learned. Nothing imminent, but Josh Smith would be key piece going to Lakers. about 34 minutes ago
Mike Bresnahan: Separetely, Lakers interested in Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, would be open to trading Pau for Top-5 pick and right package o' players about 9 minutes ago
J-Smoove is best friends with Dwight. Just saying. :) |
2013: $13,200,000
2014: Free Agent
He would be an expensive friend because you'd have to extend him for probably close to the max to keep him and Howard, who also would be a max extensions.
Max Howard + Max Smith + Max Kobe probably isn't any Luxary Tax savings over Max Kobe + Max Drew + Gasol in 2013/14. :/
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JAG
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Smith won't max out.
Smith plus a player or pick would save the Lakers a few million and maybe even allow them to buy another first round pick.
I'd trade Pau for Josh Smith without Dwight being his friend a factor. He's cheaper, younger, makes you more athletic and is a superior defender and doesn't need shots to impact the game.
That him and Dwight are BFFs and it might sway the best center in basketball to demand Orlando to trade him to the Lakers is icing on the cake.
As for Mo Williams, I want them to spend that Odom TPE. So if it's on Williams, so be it. It may not work, but he's an expiring and they could move on after a season. With the offense revolving around Kobe and a center, you need shooters to spread the floor, even if Mo has been the anti-Fisher in the playoffs and in big spots.
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