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Keep hope alive:
Bayern cooling on Neuer pursuit
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This summer is going to be the most interesting transfer window in a long time.
With Liverpool's resurgence and City now in the Champions League, there is no way United, Chelsea, and especially Arsenal can not spend big. Wenger really needs to splash the cash, or I suspect his squad will be the one to drop to 5th.
There is no doubt that John Henry will give Kenny some cash to shore up the backline and probably bring a few high quality midfielders. Give Andy Carroll a full pre-season at Anfield, and they should be scoring goals like crazy.
Chelsea are pretty set, but need to decide what they will do with Drogba. If they sell him off, they can target one of the youngsters, Lukaku or Neymar, to replace him. Neymar is more ready right now, but Lukaku's potential is insane.
United are in an interesting position. I think this is one of their weakest squads in a couple decades, but Fergie has done an amazing job rotating everyone and getting results when it matters. I think upgrades in the center of the midfield are a must. Berbatov will be sold, I think. I know Sir Alex loves Bale and Modric and they'd be awesome fits as replacements for Giggs and Scholes/Carrick. They would cost 100 million for the pair, though. Not sure if United is willing to fork out that kind of money or that Spurs would accept, as supporters would go crazy if those two were sold. Fergie is better off waiting a season, as Spurs likely won't make CL next season and Modric, Bale, and VdV will want out.
Tottenham need strikers. They need at least 2, if not 3, of them. Unfortunately, Redknapp has no clue about continental wide players, and is obsessed with bringing in players with West Ham connections or that are English. The only signings he'll make this summer are whatever relegated West Ham have available. Scott Parker, Carlton Cole, etc.
We would've been top 4 with Luis Suarez, but Harry didn't think he fit well. That alone should cost him his job.
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| Hadi wrote: | | With Liverpool's resurgence and City now in the Champions League, there is no way United, Chelsea, and especially Arsenal can not spend big. Wenger really needs to splash the cash, or I suspect his squad will be the one to drop to 5th. |
I suspect that Arsenal will spend. I'm just not sure that Wenger will be back. The collapse this year might just piss off management.
A new manager will of course spend, and dump a bunch of Wenger's players to create "his" team.
I also wonder if Cesc goes, regardless of whether Wenger stays or goes. Given his gimpiness, is it time to cash him in and spend that money to shore up the defense?
There will be other moves there.
| Quote: | | There is no doubt that John Henry will give Kenny some cash to shore up the backline and probably bring a few high quality midfielders. Give Andy Carroll a full pre-season at Anfield, and they should be scoring goals like crazy. |
More importantly: full season of Suarez. I think it also frees up Dirk to move away from that strikerish role that he was forced into at times this year. I think they'll be good. They probably do need to shore up the midfield and defense more. I'm also sure that Fenway is going to let them spend some cash, but likely avoid bringing in old players and instead look for long haul.
| Quote: | | Chelsea are pretty set, but need to decide what they will do with Drogba. If they sell him off, they can target one of the youngsters, Lukaku or Neymar, to replace him. Neymar is more ready right now, but Lukaku's potential is insane. |
I actually think Simon and the buzz on this is more correct: there are going to be massive changes at Chelsea. Coach will go, they'll totally rethink the midfield, they'll likely make at least one Super Star / Expensive signing (lik Neymar) along with other players. Lots of stuff will happen there.
| Quote: | | United are in an interesting position. I think this is one of their weakest squads in a couple decades, but Fergie has done an amazing job rotating everyone and getting results when it matters. I think upgrades in the center of the midfield are a must. Berbatov will be sold, I think. I know Sir Alex loves Bale and Modric and they'd be awesome fits as replacements for Giggs and Scholes/Carrick. They would cost 100 million for the pair, though. Not sure if United is willing to fork out that kind of money or that Spurs would accept, as supporters would go crazy if those two were sold. Fergie is better off waiting a season, as Spurs likely won't make CL next season and Modric, Bale, and VdV will want out. |
I don't think Sir Alex will splash that level of cash, nor would the Glasers allow it. Sir Aex would rather spend that on several players.
More likely, look for somone like Wesley Sneijder or Daniele de Rossi, who has just a year left on his contract with Roma and isn't a happy camper. I think ManU saw how German Duo went to Real Madrid for cheap given their "year away" contract status dropping their value. ManU would want to take advantage of one or more of those situations.
ManU will flat out spend to get a keeper. The big one is Neuer, but if not him, someone else.
I think in the back, they like Smalling long term as someone Sir Alex can develop. Vidic was extended. Evra was as well. Sir Alex gained a ton of confidence in the Twins, if they can stay healthy. There was a time when he seemed unwilling to roll out Fabio in bigger games, but as the season wore on and people got banged up, Sir Alex had to roll him out... and the kid responded as well as his brother has. Fabio isn't really a natural over on the left, but I suspect we'll see Evra and the Twins (if they can stay healthy) be the primary rotation on the flanks in big games, and a little O'Shea/Evans mixed in in lesser games. I don't think getting a fullback is as critical with Evra staying.
I wouldn't be surprised seeing Sir Alex look for another younger player to develop in the back, similar to Smalling. Brown was shakey, and O'Shea/Evans aren't exactly filling Sir Alex with a ton of confidence. Every season proves that depth is critical, the last two as much as any. So it would be like Fergie to look for young talent there.
Up front... he may look to move Berbatov after his best season at ManU. It's almost certain that Fergie would like a core trio to rotate up there, with Rooney and now Hernandez looking like the 1-2. That means he'd still like a #3, in addition to probably a younger #4 who can be productive.
In a sense, Hernandez would be a great #3... but he seems a bit too good for that role. :) And his partnership with Rooney is taking off. Berba would be a good #3, if he were happy in that role. He's played well with Hernandez on occassion, and can play well with Rooney on occassion. But I'm not sure if he'd like that role, and he's pretty expensive in that role.
I don't think Nani has developed enough to play upfront like Ronaldo over time developed. So...
I suspect that if there's a chance to move Berba and get a cheaper #3, that they might do it.
In turn, my guess is that either Welbeck or Machida will get a chance at the #4. If it's Machida, it would be his last chance... can't imagine the club waiting much longer on him. The role Hernandez took at the #3 (before he became the #2) was there for Machida to take. He couldn't even pin down the #4, let alone the #3. My guess would be that if Welbeck can impress Sir Alex in the off season, he will get it.
Obviously the current #4 (Owen) will be gone.
Midfield... I suspect only one major signing along the lines of the guys mentioned earlier. I think we've seen with the play of Carrick down the stretch that he remains someone that Sir Alex has confidence in major games when he's "right". When he's "off', then Sir Alex can lose some faith. Still, it's not like they have anyone in that holding role. Scholes really fell off from the early start when teams figured him out. I wouldn't be surprised if he retires. Giggs looks like he's found yet another fountain of youth in playing central midfield, and Fergie now seems to love him there. Valencia has been exception since returning from the injury. Park is flat out back to being Park after the injuries. Overall, MF and the wings have a lot of players:
Valencia
Nani
Carrick
Giggs
Park
Anderson
Fletcher
That's not mentioning Gibson, who may be in or out of the doghouse. I know he's very high on Cleverley, so it will be interesting to see if he's not loaned out next year and gets a role.
They could use:
* a creative MF to sit behind the frontline
* another true holder
* a young winger who can play RW or LW
They'll focus on the first, and probably get one.
There's occassional talk of the second. If Giggsy if moving back into that role pairing with Carrick, I still think they need someone else in that role. Giggs isn't young, so he'll pick up knocks. There are also some teams where you'll want a holder who is slightly different than Carrick (i.e. against a team that would put pressure on Carrick and throw him off his game). A strength of ManU under Sir Alex is a deeper aspect of "depth": flexibility in depth that allows one to select certain sides, formations and strategies against certain opponents. I think three to chose from for that role would be good. I don't think Fletcher truly ready for it.
Then on the winger side, you'd like to have someone young who could spot both Valencia and Nani, and develop over time. They have been going with Park in big games out on the left, and Sir Alex has used Park a lot over the years in big games against certain teams where he needs a go-go-go engine in midfield. But you'd really like to get a kid who can work into the mix as well. Giggs on the wing may be a rare thing in the future.
Holding to me is the critical thing, but I suspect that the bigger splash will be in creative MF.
| Quote: | Tottenham need strikers. They need at least 2, if not 3, of them. Unfortunately, Redknapp has no clue about continental wide players, and is obsessed with bringing in players with West Ham connections or that are English. The only signings he'll make this summer are whatever relegated West Ham have available. Scott Parker, Carlton Cole, etc.
We would've been top 4 with Luis Suarez, but Harry didn't think he fit well. That alone should cost him his job. |
The failure of Arsenal, Chelsea, ManU and Spurs to chase Suarez in the January window is head scratching. I know the Blues were focused on Torres, so perhaps that's an acceptable excuse. But the rest of them should have. I also know that Sir Alex didn't want to screw things up in the frontline during the season with (i) getting Rooney back in form, (ii) taking advantage of Berba's good form, and (iii) by that point Hernandez already showing hints with 7 goals and two right after the turn of the year. You don't sign someone like Suarez to bury him on the bench, so there was method to what Fergie was doing... but I wish we could have gotten Suarez. For the Gunners and Spurs, there really isn't any excuse. Major mistaked. :/
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Bayern closer to Neuer deal
Looks like Bayern upped their offer.
Not new in the sense they have been looking at him for a while:
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson closes in on David de Gea
At 20, he's a long-long-long term solution. If not Neuer, I'd be plenty happy with de Gea.
I *hope* we are being pro-active, trying to get deals done before the silly season starts and teams like Real and ManCity start throwing their cash around.
King Kenny got a three year deal from Pool.
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| jdw wrote: | * a creative MF to sit behind the frontline
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What do you think of Rooney being the man to replace Scholes as the attacking mid that plays behind the strikers? He can pass, tackle, shoot, and likes to track back. They can go for another striker or two to replace Owen and Rooney if he is going to move back in that role. I really liked what I've seen from Rooney playing a further role up the field as he can slice open the defense with a smart pass to a runner like Giggs or Chicharito.
De Gae or Stecklenberg work fine for me if EVDS has to go. Neur would be my first choice but he is German and it makes sense that he would want to the gig between the sticks at Munchen.
With the financial fair play rules going into effect after next season this will be a summer of huge spending as teams won't be able to break the bank without proving that they have had enough furn over from the previous season to spend. I don't really know how previous debt will be looked at as the new rules go into effect. With United, Barca, Madrid, and Chelsea having spent way beyond their means as they put themselves into debt it will be interesting how the new rules will work for them as I'm not sure if it is year to year turnover or if a club has previous huge debt figured in the turnover. I should know this since I listen to enough futbol podcasts but I'm by no means a business major so a lot of the stuff that is talked about goes in one year and out the other unfortunately. |
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| CFTV wrote: | | What do you think of Rooney being the man to replace Scholes as the attacking mid that plays behind the strikers? He can pass, tackle, shoot, and likes to track back. They can go for another striker or two to replace Owen and Rooney if he is going to move back in that role. I really liked what I've seen from Rooney playing a further role up the field as he can slice open the defense with a smart pass to a runner like Giggs or Chicharito. |
I like Rooney in his current role as a creative forward. It's what he was back in 2008 & 2009 before Ronaldo left and he was forced to score more. He's been amazing in the second half of the season, and I flat out wouldn't change his role. :)
The 2010 role worked for 2010 because we had issues having other people put the ball in the net. But as a forward sitting behind Hernandez, or drifting out on the wings... perfect for him. There also may be games where you need to go 4-5-1 with a pair of wingers in there, and Rooney has shown he can opperate effective as a 1 in a 4-5-1 and drop back to make it a 4-6-0 as a False 9.
| Quote: | | De Gae or Stecklenberg work fine for me if EVDS has to go. Neuer would be my first choice but he is German and it makes sense that he would want to the gig between the sticks at Munchen. |
Yeah, Neuer seems like he wants to stay in Germany... and playing fr Munchen is like playing for the Yankees if you grew up in New York. Hard to argue with him.
The fair play rules will be interesting. There are plenty of loop holes to allow teams to get their books in order, and it's a slow roll out. So we may see a last massive splash, then teams finding creative ways to fit within the fair play rules. I think we've linked to a few of those in the past.
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Ashley Young's name is getting tossed around, with ManU or Pool rumored to be the place. He'll have just one year left on his contract at the end of the season, so the price tag is dropping from £25M to the £10M range.
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Atlético Madrid Keeper David De Gea Finally Headed to Manchester United
| Quote: | After months of speculation, it appears that the 20-year-old Atlético Madrid keeper David De Gea is headed to Manchester United.
According to a Daily Mirror article published on Manchester United’s official website, United has agreed in principle to a £16 million transfer fee which will bring the Spanish International to Old Trafford where he will replace the retiring Edwin Van der Sar. |
Very good. £16M could end up being a steal if he truly turns out to be Ikar's heir.
Allegedly a £60M spending kitty. One hopes that 60M doesn't include what can be gotten in return for say Berba. Also hope that don't sell Carrick and have that factored into the 60M. :)
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Spurs steal one from Chelsea:
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Harry Redknapp has already pulled off the transfer coup of the summer, sources have told ESPNsoccernet, by snatching Barcelona youngster Cristian Ceballos from under the noses of Chelsea.
Ceballos, 16, was hailed as Barcelona's new superstar four years ago when he became an internet sensation, featuring in a video juggling a ball with Ronaldinho.
However, after a falling out, Barca agreed to release Ceballos, an attacking midfielder, on a free transfer and he was taken to Chelsea for a two week trial.
Ceballos trained at Cobham predominately with Chelsea's youth side, but also trained with Carlo Ancelotti's first-team. In a shock move, he has now reportedly signed a three-year contract at White Hart Lane.
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That a good signing on paper for Spurs, but I'd worry about:
* the breaking ties with Barca is worrisome
Haven't seen the details of why he did. Barca has the best youth developmental program in the world. He was one of the stars of it. Barca is the best team in the world. People typically don't want to leave it for Spurs or even Chelsea. So... what's the deal there?
* it's just a 3 year deal, which means after 2013 there's transfer pressure
If the kid is The Shit, then everyone in sight is going to be sniffing after him. Spurs still are Spurs. And while they might be able to offer him playing time sooner than Barca, that's a double edged sword: if he looks good, bigger teams will want him... and will likely offer more rewards in terms of salary and what not than Spurs.
Spurs leverage goes down when he's one year out on his contract. But I don't think anyone expects him to be such a star after this coming year (i.e. get enough playing time to show it) that they'll be able to max out selling him two years out.
Worry about this one a bit for Spurs.
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De Gea reportedly will be announced on Monday as being officially headed to Old Trafford.
Rumors about Juve-Inter-Real chasing Nani. £25M sounds a bit low since he still has 3 more years on his contract if I recall correctly. Perhaps a low transfer release clause, but the contract was inked in Jan 2010 when the club was very high on him.
Raphael Varane allegedly an almost done deal from Lens in Fergie's continuing perpetual youth movement.
Nevan Subotic of Dortmund has allegedly said that he'd like to play for Chelsea or Manchester United rather than the Gunners. :)
Berbatov is saying the right words: he wants to come back. That means he likely wants a nice contract beyond the one year left on it. I wouldn't mind a Rooney-Hernandez-Berba top trio, with Walbeck developing in the #4 spot. There are plenty of games and always injuries to keep a top 4 occupied. I also think that Berba playing with Hernandez helped Hernandez develop... and maybe pairing him with Walbeck might be a good route.
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Fergie confirms De Gea to join United
| Quote: | "We've been working on it for quite a while," Ferguson said after Gary Neville's testimonial on Tuesday night. "We identified him quite a while back as one we should go for.
"He's a young goalkeeper, very quick, good composure, presence and an outstanding replacement for Van der Sar.
"We were looking for the same type of qualities as Edwin, because the one great quality Edwin always had was his composure and organisational ability. With David De Gea, he is very similar that way.'' |
Woo-hoo~!
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As everyone expected, Carlo Ancelotti was sacked by Chelsea. I wasn't thrilled when he was hired but he won me over. Doing the Double in his first year and finishing as runner up in his second is a pretty good resume but apparently not good enough for Abramovich. Even the disappointment of this year is mitigated by (i) whatever the hell happened with the departure of Ray Wilkins and (ii) the Torres saga. I don't think either one can be pinned entirely on Carletto, and he did get the ship righted eventually. He handled himself with dignity the entire time, even with rampant speculation about losing his job for much of the past year. He's a class act and I hope he wins the scudetto with his beloved Roma if that's where he ends up.
Moving right along, various oddsmakers have listed Guus Hiddink, Harry Redknapp, Jose Mourinho, Frank Rijkaard, Andre Villas Boas, and Marco van Basten as the favorites to fill the role. Frankly I don’t know why anyone would want the job, other than getting a hefty sum and lots of free time after being sacked in two years. Anyway, I really hope that Chelsea can finally find a long term manager to end the constant speculation after every poor result. Someone who can be the club’s Wenger or Moyes, if not Fergie.
I love Guus, he was tremendously popular in his previous stint as Chelsea boss, he's tight with Roman, and he is listed in many places as the most likely candidate, but everything he's previously said indicated he's not interested in the day to day business of managing a club. I did read just a moment ago that his agent said he would be open to it, although he wouldn't be available until October due to his work with the Turksih national side. Another report said that Rafa Benitez might replace him in Turkey, allowing him to come back to London sooner. (Anything that keeps Benitez away from the Chelsea post is fine by me.) The only downside is that Hiddink probably wouldn't manage for long and in a couple years we'd be right back to speculating about his replacement.
As for Redknapp... no thanks. I was frankly stunned to see his name mentioned, especially after the way Spurs struggled in the second half of the season. How would he be an improvement over Ancelotti? Anyway, I doubt he has the cache Roman is looking for. Roman's previous managers have been either associates (Hiddink, Grant) or folks with big trophies on their CV (Mourinho, Ancelotti, Scolari) and 'Arry doesn't fit the bill either way.
I would love to see Jose back but don't see it happening.
I originally hoped for Rijkaard way back when Scolari was hired, but he's not really had much success outside of that great Barcelona side, and let's be honest he had Ronaldinho, Eto'o, and company there. He was relegated at Sparta Rotterdam and bombed at Galatasaray. I'll pass.
Villas-Boas has indicated he's not leaving Porto. He really has done a great job as Son of Jose. I wouldn't mind seeing him in London but he still has a long way to go to catch up to the original. I do like that he is young and could potentially be around for a long time.
Van Basten seems to be the name I'm seeing everywhere now, and he supposedly comes with a recommendation from Hiddink. I'm not thrilled about this, but having Guus in his corner goes a long way especially considering how much Roman values his advice.
William Hill had an interesting candidate listed at long but not impossible odds - Arsene Wenger. I would love to see that if for no other reason than the shit storm that would ensue. I've often wondered if Arsenal's reluctance to spend was entirely due to Wenger's philosophy or if they simply didn't have the funds because of the expense of building the Emirates. I know Wenger has said there is money available but I wonder if that's just a cover. Anyway, I don't think it will happen but it certainly would be interesting to see what Arsene could do with Roman's cash if he put his mind to it.
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Good walk through the candidates, Simon. Couple of quick thoughts:
| Midline Shift wrote: | | Villas-Boas has indicated he's not leaving Porto. He really has done a great job as Son of Jose. I wouldn't mind seeing him in London but he still has a long way to go to catch up to the original. I do like that he is young and could potentially be around for a long time. |
He's going to end up at a big club, likely very soon. I would be a little surprised if he doesn't cash in this off season, though that might mean two things:
* Porto loading up for a CL run next year
* waiting for the "right" jobs
On the first, it does seem like Porto is hanging onto a lot of the team. They've extended some contracts, and are saying "stay away" on some of the big studs.
On the second, he might know that the money is always going to be there if he picks the "right" place to go to have success after Porto. Success at two placed means that you can keep on the merri-go-round for decades. Flaming out in the first place after Porto means he might just entirely flame out.
Don't know what the right places would be. Chelsea could be one of them... though it's hard to manage for Roman. Sure, the money is there to spend. But Roman sticks his hands in at times, and has a certain way he wants the team to play. Might not be perfect for him, as it didn't turn out to be perfect for Roman.
| Quote: | | William Hill had an interesting candidate listed at long but not impossible odds - Arsene Wenger. I would love to see that if for no other reason than the shit storm that would ensue. I've often wondered if Arsenal's reluctance to spend was entirely due to Wenger's philosophy or if they simply didn't have the funds because of the expense of building the Emirates. I know Wenger has said there is money available but I wonder if that's just a cover. Anyway, I don't think it will happen but it certainly would be interesting to see what Arsene could do with Roman's cash if he put his mind to it. |
I think the Gunners were forced to be budget careful due to the Emirates. I also think Wenger likes to buy certain kids, and develop them to play his type of futbol... rather than constantly bring in Stars. You have to wonder how much he'd like managing for Roman where it's not just a matter of having money to buy top players, but at times having Roman force players on your (i.e. Torres). That doesn't seem like something Wenger would enjoy.
Part of me thinks that Wenger might have been the right manager for Pool under the Fenway ownership team. Setting aside the defense, the Gunners play the type of futbol that one kind of things that Fenway wants: Barca style posession, modern football. Wenger also fits into some of Fenway's mentality: they like to balance their big contracts with developing youth if possible (since it's cheaper) and/or some cost effective players. Fenway doesn't like to sign stars just to sign stars, and instead looks at them as fitting in either long term, or as addressing some key needs. Wenger would probably fit into that.
Of course Fenway has Kenny signed, so that is out for Wenger any time soon.
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